Category: Zone BBS Suggestions and Feedback
as i was sitting hear earlier, i thought about the way the cl's are picked, adn i came up with an idea.
i think that the cl's and admins should pick a list of thoughs they think will be suitable, then put it to the public vote, as we are the ones that go to the cl's for help, advice ecetra,
so let me on what you thik. i don't know how good or bad an idea this is. but i guess i will find out soon lol.
don't necessarily think we should have a say as it will be too much like a popularity contest. General members wouldn't choose cl's on what they thought was their technical ability, they would choose them based on whether or not they like them.
hey good idea! it said somewhere, that the zone is driven by it's members so i'm in favour of that
The problem is as with the present situation you cant please everyone and in a democracy you can always vote out the unsuccessful party,would that be possible here ...it could cause a lot of unnecessary hassle.
I agree with Clair.
i doubt it, i'm sure people would vote one person overall.
and that's the way it should be
Here is my problem with a voting system. First of all, if we start voting now, then people will complain that we didn't do it earlier. Second, I think Clare is right in that it would undoubtedly be a popularity contest, and I don't think this is how these things should work. When you apply for a job, they don't conduct a vote in the office to see who else likes you as a candidate. I think the process is quite fare now in that, just like a job, you can submit an application and it will then be reviewed by whom ever is hiring along with all others. It's a good idea in theory Lindsey, but I just don't think it applies here.
Allow me to play Devil's Advocate in this matter as I take up Lindsey's side of the argument.
The only thing that sucks about the current system was illustrated by Dan's selection as a CL. Now, I am definitely not saying that he is not qualified to be a CL because I believe in the soundneess of the choices. But, I received the news bulletin one day saying that we should get our applications ready in preparation for the selection of the next CL, and that selection occurred the very next day. For anyone wishing to prepare an application, that was a slap in the face, in my opinion. It seemed to say that we've picked our next CL, but we'll make it sound like we want applications and give you 12 hours to submit one. My only suggestion would be that a vacancy be advertised at least 3 or 4 days in advance, to give serious candidates a chance to submit an application.
Darren, first of all, they are still looking for another cl I believe.
Secondly, the cl's still talk about a popularity contest as far as the voting is concerned, but yet it's gonna be a popularity contest either way whether the zone votes from the list of people chosen by the cl's/admins, or whether the cl's and admins just pick the person. There is no way it won't be a popular contest, they will still pick on who they think would be suitable, and if someone submitted an application they didn't like they wouldn't look at them.
That's just my thought at the matter. Thanks.
Jess
thanks all for you thoughts, but kai is the closest to what i was thinking, he just put it better than me lol.
the admins and cl's wood pick say four or five that that were happy with, then put it ot the vote. any way it was only an idea.
I agree with lindsey we should be able to vote or something on who our new cl is and btw dan was a really good choice but still I think it'd be nice if we had some say in it.
I think that this would be good if it was fair.
Really, for most if not some people, the fact that you like one of the possible cl's is going to sway your vote some what?
But im sure that the whole site would not be like this, and if there would be little of the above then this would be great.
Lonestar:
I don't really think that there is anything wrong with the way that cl's are beeing selected anyway.
Sure, the admin might have friends on here, but do you really think that he would let that effect him, or more to the point do you think that we would kno if it did?
People will allways say that someone only got in because there liked, mostly jus because there annoyed that they didn't get in as a cl.
BEN.
Firstly to you Darren. Although the bulletin was posted just 12 hours before the decision was made, the application form was in place a couple of months in advance. When I filled it out I had no idea that a position was coming up but I still did it. I think the final notice was just to let everybody know that if they wanted to do one, they'd better make it quick. I think the assumption was, and not an unfair one in my view, that anybody serious about taking up a CL position would have had an application filled out and submitted by that stage.
On the main issue in question I'd have to agree with the people that have stated that any kind of a public vote will just turn into a big popularity contest and won't ensure the best person for the job. That is a genuine concern for me too because the most popular people on this sight are usually the ones that are actually at the hub of a lot of the silliness around here and I can't see how that could ever be a good thing. We need people capable of standing back from much of the bitching and squabbling so that they can make level headed and even handed calls as and when they're needed, not somebody who is going to be right in the middle of it all. That will not look good on the Zone..
Lastly Jess I'm curious to know what you meant when you mentioned community leaders pleural and not singular as, so far as I could tell, Scot was the only community leader whom had passed comment on this issue at the time and had made no reference to any other views held by community leaders on this issue. Any views that I have are strictly between myself, the other CL's and admins of the sight and I don't appreciate having my views expressed by third parties. If I wish for my views to be public knowledge, I'll make them so. Thank you.
Dan.
Dan,
Basically what I was saying was that in my oppinion, and only my oppinion it would be a popularity contest either way, whether someone got voted in by the zone, or whether yall picked the next cl if there was one to be picked. You guys are all responsible for picking them, are you not? I do not know what goes behind closed doors or anything like that if you will, I only assume that yall have a say, hence why I said cl's/admins. It was nothing against you personally.
Hmmm, It would be great if we did not have people who actually voted for someone suitable for the job instead of there fuck budy or best friend if i may be so blunt. Jenni
what I think is this. there shoudl be a vote, but.. Much like how the government works, it can be overridden or can at leas thelp influence the decision. I'm sorry, but I agree that it would be a popularity contest, but it would definitly be cool to at least gage people's opinions as to why they did, or did not pick who ever they picked.
i agree liam. i think we should get a say somehow though. i had a comment passed to me the other day, saying that you need to kiss the admin's arses to become a cl. that was slightly off putting, so yeah, i do believe we should have a say on this matter.
I do agree with the point that anyone seriously aspiring to become a CL would have posted an application some time ago. I do still believe, however, that the bulletins should be posted earlier the next time a CL selection is imminent. I see both sides of the voting issue. As one poster so wisely said, the most popular zoners would most likely be those involved in the sad and pathetic drama that dogs this site on a regular basis.
Let me take the stance and say that everyone that applies to be a cl, is not cl material. We as the staff of the zone most likely will always have to weed out the first round of applications. I agree that there should be some type of voting process but as all things it is going to take time and work to perfect it.
I personally think it will be a popularity thing as i have said from the beginning and when the dust settles some are going to get mad at who is selected and say man i wish they wasnt a cl.
My hope is that you all will be patient as we the staff make some changes in the way that cls are selected.
have a great day ... gramps
a suggestion:
Doug and Liam, I agree wholeheartedly, I agree the vote will be a popularity contest, therefore, the cls'/admins decide who would be suitable candidates for us to vote on.
However, what dan misunderstood, and what i probably should have made more clear, is that the cls'/admins will pick who they think is suitable and if they don't like your application or whatever the case may be they may not look at you as a possibility. This is strictly my oppinion and I want to take the time to make sure I am not pointing at anyone in particular.
In conclusion, just like any job or any government, or anywhere people are always gonna be slightly judging, and therefore, all have their recommendations, whether you guys decide to give the voting a try, or if you guys choose the next cl amongst yourselves, provided you guys are looking for one, I wish you all the best.
blairwitch, it certainly isn't true that you have to be in with the sight admins to stand a chance of getting a community leaders job on here. I don't think that Chris and I had even exchanged 10 quick notes in the time that I've been a member of this sight, and I've had a lot more contact with Chris in my time here than the other sight admin called, urm ... ah yes, Jay squared that's right
lol Dan.
but for those who feel that you'd only become a cl if your face fits ask yourself this:
if you genuinely believe that the admins/cl's select new cl's based on who they do/don't personally like, would you really want to be in a position of authority on a site where they hire based on personal preference?
as dan previously pointed out, it's generally the popular ones on the site who cause the most trouble, so why would the admins want trouble makers to be in positions of authority?